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[01:44:37] db48x.net/temp/Screenshot-35.png [01:47:09] tabs look very good there [01:47:11] ship it [01:51:50] db48x: what's that screenshot from? [01:58:41] timeless: pong [01:59:44] yason [yason@moz-5E2C022F.hybrid.fi] has joined #developers [02:09:31] jeremy: what do you mean? [02:09:39] it's firefox on linux, the url is there in the urlbar [02:09:40] etc [02:09:51] not sure how else to answer your question [02:10:33] I recommend going to the url and comparing what you see with what I saw [02:10:38] did you build yourself? is this reflow or trunk or 1.8branch? why are the tabs funky? [02:10:46] it's the trunk [02:11:08] AlthA [jdevalk@moz-191575D7.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit IRC: Quit: AlthA [02:11:10] the tabs are funky because they committed a horrible gaffe when they created the new theme [02:12:08] oh, doh. it says minefield in the picture ;( [02:12:13] the images they use for the tabs just aren't as large as the text [02:12:53] beaufour [beaufour@5530BE8.67939C1A.28B784C6.IP] has joined #developers [02:13:03] what about above the window titlebar? [02:13:41] that's just one of my gnome toolbars [02:13:51] each of those characters is a button I can click on [02:14:01] when I do, it sticks that character into the clipboard [02:16:58] so, you actually use all those chars? [02:17:07] some of them more than others [02:18:09] I've used everything on that list at least once [02:19:45] db48x has an idea for a cool extension [02:20:06] Mook [mook@moz-6275BAE3.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit IRC: Quit: reboot [02:20:22] when activated, a tooltip would show you the name of the character underneath your mouse cursor (if there is one) [02:21:00] when you select text it would give you aggregate information [02:21:13] kreeger [nickkreege@moz-47B0ECAE.kc.res.rr.com] has quit IRC: Quit: kreeger [02:21:15] I wonder if I could reliably detect double encoded utf-8 [02:21:51] aggregate? like word/sentence/para counts? [02:21:54] because that's what actually gave me the idea [02:22:50] jeremy: aggregate as in the union of the character types in the selected text [02:22:57] is the URL in that pic actually what's rendered in the tab with focus? i manually typed it and got something different. could just be a typo though. [02:23:06] jeremy: yes, it is [02:23:30] db48x: so it will give a charset that contains all the selected chars? [02:23:51] jeremy: well, you already know what charset the page is in, so thats not so helpful [02:24:06] however, each code point is associated with a single script [02:24:22] Latin, Cyrillic, CJK, etc [02:25:39] that information could be useful [02:26:08] is that character an 'a' or an 'а'? [02:26:25] that is, a Latin 'a' or a Cyrillic 'а'? [02:26:27] what's the second char? [02:26:31] oh [02:26:32] sayrer [chatzilla@moz-D9DB9F78.cable.mindspring.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [02:26:46] jeremy: if your irc client supports unicode it will generally look exactly the same as the Latin one [02:27:13] in fact, the glyph will often be identical [02:27:58] no, the first one looks normal and the second is squished to half-height. this is irssi in Konsole [02:28:59] it can be difficult to tell the difference between paypal.com and pаypаl.com :) [02:30:14] firefox still defaults to disallowing idna, right? [02:30:23] no [02:30:40] we just trust registrars? [02:30:42] no [02:30:46] we have a whitelist [02:31:03] oh. hmm. [02:31:25] any tld that has a policy that meets certain requirements (I'd have to look up the details) can be put on the whitelist [02:31:59] any tld not on the whitelist gets shown in it's ugly encoded form, while anything on the whitelist gets shown correctly [02:32:23] you mean punycode? [02:32:36] I think the main requirement is that domains be limited to a well-defined subset of characters [02:32:38] jeremy: correct [02:33:42] so for example they would have to dissallow things like www․example.tld [02:34:02] which uses a one dot leader instead of a period character [02:38:02] anyway, in that screenshot, all of what firefox rendered looks like either webpages that I had viewed in the past [02:38:12] or other programs that are running [02:38:59] that gray stuff is the background image I use in my irc client [02:39:47] so it may be the X server's fault [02:48:14] Mook [mook@moz-F47D744E.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #developers [02:49:21] is http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=8024 the right URL? [02:57:05] Pike [Axel_Hecht@moz-D0F6CC2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #developers [02:58:32] laurentj [laurentj@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr] has joined #developers [03:02:00] Build 'MacOSX Darwin 8.6.0 maya Depend Cm1.0-M1.8.0' has dropped from the 'Camino' tinderbox. [03:02:39] jeremy: looks ok [03:03:39] well, it definitely doesn't match the screenshot. [03:05:22] db48x: any chance of some scrollback from 10 to 8 hours ago