### Log session started at Thu Aug 17 00:00:00 2006 ### [00:00:14] do these leak tests do sometihng that valgrind can't do? [00:00:20] diffing maybe [00:00:20] run today? [00:00:24] shaver: I jsut asssumed tinderbox was using some tool. [00:00:27] shaver: ha! [00:00:29] valgrind doesn't like our custom allocators, either [00:00:39] ispiked: You assumed. Problem #1. :P [00:00:42] in my limited experience, at least [00:00:47] and graydon's less-limited [00:00:54] that's easily fixed [00:00:57] well [00:00:59] I believe Jesse has patches for that [00:00:59] that's being worked on... [00:01:00] graydon is working on it [00:01:01] I did at one point [00:01:07] jesse's patches were not complete [00:01:09] AIUI [00:01:18] orph [nobody@moz-5E06C3D1.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [00:01:37] and I don't think I'd ever seem patches that did the right thing with the JS GC pools until graydon's the other day [00:01:41] but by all means [00:01:47] I have machines at the ready [00:02:08] I'm sure the build team would be utterly relieved to discover that they could replace these things with something trivial [00:02:47] Mozilla1.8: 'Linux balsa Depend Fx-GTK1-GCC3.4' has changed state from Success to Burning. [00:02:51] mmm, balsa [00:02:53] graydon is working getting valgirnd grind arena hints (bug 348798) [00:02:56] shaver, reed : tool: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/tools/tinderbox/bloatdiff.pl [00:03:52] roc: i have a patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334514 but not for valgrind stuff [00:03:56] Do these leak tests do any of that? I'm not even sure which option we're talking about [00:04:15] leak tests give us class counts [00:04:23] shaver: yeah. [00:05:23] mrbkap: can you land 348810 pretty please? :) [00:06:19] I think it's bedtime for me [00:13:38] <@Hixie> man, i go to play one card game and i come back and my scrollback has eighteen occurances of bz saying "talk to hixie" and ninteen occurances of someone trying to avoid talknig to me :-P [00:14:48] Firefox: 'Linux balsa Depend GTK1 (gcc 3.4)' has changed state from Success to Burning. [00:15:30] well, at least balsa is back ;) [00:15:49] it is running on the branch now too? [00:16:14] navin [chatzilla@405BBEF.AC8AF247.EEBBAFDA.IP] has joined #developers [00:16:15] <@stuart> BALSAAAAAAAAA [00:16:26] <@stuart> i <3 balsa [00:16:49] hey wow it's building [00:18:16] hey hixie [00:18:47] long card game? [00:19:25] <@Hixie> Killer Bunnies [00:19:28] <@Hixie> very long card game [00:20:42] mconnor: done. [00:20:51] mrbkap: woo! [00:21:37] Cartman [chatzilla@moz-6E4EB9A1.austin.ibm.com] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904] [00:22:31] roc: please fix column crashes [00:25:11] any bug in particular? [00:27:45] dria [dria@moz-B7FD1F7E.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving [00:29:41] schrep [schrep@moz-46636307.office.mozilla.org] has quit IRC: Quit: The computer fell asleep [00:30:14] rob_strong [rob_strong@moz-8AA8F10E.sub-70-198-29.myvzw.com] has joined #developers [00:32:56] roc: guess you're gonna have to fix them all, then. [00:33:26] jlurz [chatzilla@moz-3D6A6E92.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/0000000000] [00:34:10] Mnyromyr [MnyroWork@B9DD71DB.895A7D73.450559D8.IP] has joined #developers [00:34:52] Firefox: 'Linux balsa Depend GTK1 (gcc 3.4)' has changed state from Burning to Test Failed. [00:35:07] <@stuart> mmm [00:41:38] smaug [chatzilla@93F5D356.851FF927.9BAB7257.IP] has joined #developers [00:43:16] only one hour 20 minutes to go [00:47:01] romaxa [romaxa@B9E362E3.A93BF801.75E1F41B.IP] has quit IRC: Client exited [00:47:38] smuag: ping [00:47:39] bah, smaug even [00:47:44] WeirdAl: hi [00:48:20] smaug: I really, really like your idea about a modification to XTF for HTML [00:48:27] kbrosnan [kbrosnan@moz-653FD72.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving [00:48:44] question is, how? [00:49:32] (XBL via XTF into HTML solves a bunch of problems) [00:50:21] Modifying XTF Service and namespace manager a bit. that is enough for new elements [00:50:37] but adding new features to htmlinputelement is different [00:50:59] yeah, I figured that much - but then, the implementation and handlers I don't see moving out of C++ anyway [00:51:38] ? [00:51:43] and the layout / content, well, that's mutable :) [00:52:14] yuri [chatzilla@14C4D133.7B166A9.75493C88.IP] has joined #developers [00:52:27] I don't see how we can do new DOM properties in HTMLInputElement in anything but nsHTMLInputElement.cpp, because they have to support current controls as well [00:52:58] I'd not complain much if I were wrong [00:53:21] yuri [chatzilla@14C4D133.7B166A9.75493C88.IP] is now known as IRCMonkey5270525 [00:53:28] (nsHTMLInputElement is a mess, btw) [00:53:45] Mook [mook@moz-62E4046C.dynamic.hinet.net] is now known as Montague [00:53:47] we may want to consider a wholesale redesign of nsHTMLInputElement [00:54:15] (I wonder why) [00:54:41] but anyway, we could think of some other way to extend elements [00:54:48] nsHTMLInputElement has to support about eight different types of form control already, and we'll be adding another eight at least [00:55:17] maybe we should take a step back and look at that [00:55:23] I mean some new hopefully simple ... [00:55:50] though, input element or any form element is difficult [00:55:54] -- this doesn't even cover the new DOM properties and methods WF2 adds to InputElement [00:57:13] yason [yason@moz-5E2C022F.hybrid.fi] has joined #developers [00:57:27] I'm proposing we at least consider ripping the guts out of nsHTMLInputElement.cpp and redoing it in different types of controls and bindings [00:58:11] ... including that old XBLFC proposal that never really took off [00:58:55] oh, but bz did raise the point of "what happens when the type attribute changes" :( [00:58:59] WeirdAl forgot that [00:59:07] there could be a simple "typeless" base inputelement [00:59:23] that's sort of what I was thinking [00:59:25] which owns the current typeobject [00:59:32] O_O [00:59:44] that's not a bad idea :) [01:00:00] gavin2 [gavin.shar@moz-3CD39903.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #developers [01:00:06] what's the advantage of that? [01:00:46] adding extensions should be easier [01:00:54] hmm [01:01:01] dunno about that [01:01:11] I guess it means that per-type state could be stored more easily [01:01:15] WeirdAl is surprised he's even thinking about scrapping nsHTMLInputElement.cpp and starting over somewhat [01:01:20] maybe [01:01:40] niiice. gmail shows the alt text of images in the message summary [01:02:32] interesting [01:02:51] if you type an ftp path into the gnome filepicker, it prompts you to log in] [01:03:21] I wonder if it'll work over ssh [01:03:37] I'd bet on it [01:04:07] gnome-vfs provides a lot of nice functionality, even if it's apparently not too fun to work with it and requires the GNOME stack [01:04:17] or some of that stack [01:04:25] db48x: try sftp instead of ssh, tho [01:06:40] gavin2 [gavin.shar@moz-3CD39903.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit IRC: Client exited [01:06:51] IRCMonkey5270525 [chatzilla@14C4D133.7B166A9.75493C88.IP] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814] [01:07:37] schrep [schrep@moz-7542B0EB.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #developers [01:12:33] brendan [brendaneic@moz-42090664.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #developers [01:12:37] ChanServ [services@localhost.net] has set mode +o brendan [01:14:00] wow, I underestimated. HTML4 + WF2 input types add up to twenty four. [01:14:16] we need to send in Jack Bauer. [01:16:23] Montague [mook@moz-62E4046C.dynamic.hinet.net] is now known as Mook [01:17:20] piratepenguin [declan@EA58379B.845C0EFD.9D79F7D7.IP] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [01:17:26] if I do |aPtr->DoFoo(nsnull);|, implement the object behind aPtr in JS, and doFoo is specified in IDL as |void doFoo(in string str);|, will I see |str == null| in JS, or will XPConnect barf? [01:18:27] I think you'll have str == null [01:18:33] pretty sure of it [01:19:34] Is string = char *? [01:19:42] yes [01:19:49] Ah, what's nsAString? [01:19:53] mrbkap always forgets. [01:19:55] AString [01:20:02] indeed. [01:20:42] schrep [schrep@moz-7542B0EB.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [01:22:03] yay, 15kB/s download speed [01:22:33] db48x wonders if it's his connection, or just that the remote site is bogged down [01:25:09] Waldo|mac pretends it is and moves on [01:27:42] schrep [schrep@moz-7542B0EB.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #developers [01:28:05] smaug, roc, I just quoted you on the wiki design page [01:28:56] WeirdAl thinks he's updated it for everyone's comments so far [01:29:48] anyone got 7-8 hours of scrollback? [01:30:38] Neil [neil@805FBB74.43DBE11A.6FB37ABF.IP] has joined #developers [01:30:58] NeilAway: which parts? I probably have 99% of it [01:31:19] timeless almost certainly does [01:31:24] Neil [neil@805FBB74.43DBE11A.6FB37ABF.IP] is now known as NeilZZZ [01:31:41] yeah, his timelyx account would probably have it [01:34:11] NeilAway: yes, what do you need? [01:34:33] ideally about 7.5 to about 2.5 hours ago please [01:35:00] ok, just a sec [01:35:54] do you prefer any particular delivery method? [01:36:09] I can stick it on a web server if you want [01:36:20] so... someone asked about firefox-bin.pure [01:36:44] the reason for that is that the firefox shell script that ships w/ official firefox maps -p to purify firefox [01:37:07] if you use -P instead, you'll get the results you wanted [01:38:43] db48x: I guess I prefer web server, thanks [01:39:00] ok, it's already on it's way there… [01:40:40] http://db48x.net/temp/channel_%23developers.mozilla_2006.08.16.log [01:42:02] pkasting_home [pkasting@moz-878F2D7D.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #developers [01:42:21] Freeze in 15 minutes! :D [01:42:52] :-\ [01:43:24] is there a bug for sides of active tabs being too low? [01:43:51] timeless: can we possibly change that? since on windows it doesn't, we have tons of windows-users advising people to use -p on mac/linux [01:44:39] timeless: yeah, I figured that out [01:45:02] could we change it on the purify users? probably [01:46:10] changing it on the windows users would work, too, but probably more slowly [01:47:04] philor: no way. we can explain what we did to the purify users, and they will understand and not complain [01:48:26] gavin: I've been away... did your patch that fixes the Go button spacing on Linux land? [01:48:40] pkasting_home: something did [01:48:48] NeilZZZ [neil@805FBB74.43DBE11A.6FB37ABF.IP] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [01:49:03] pkasting: a patch that should fix that problem landed [01:50:36] gavin: oh dear, bug 348911 is not fixed? [01:50:56] pkasting: I don't know [01:51:01] pkasting_home: it should be okay now [01:51:14] pkasting_home: some other patch nuked parts of my patch that I would be fixing [01:51:28] LOL this is craziness :) [01:51:49] biesi_ [chb@sjs-130-65-240-177.sjsu.edu] has joined #developers [01:51:58] though I would love to have someone in win32 verify [01:52:17] I wish I had my linux build at work so I could verify claims that bug 347447 is actually fixed [01:52:20] wait, I thought I was looking for someone with linux to verify [01:52:24] Because I don't believe it [01:52:56] Neil [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #developers [01:53:09] gavin: I screwed up unbitrotting a patch and screwed up windows, causing bug 348911 [01:53:19] biesi_ [chb@sjs-130-65-240-177.sjsu.edu] has quit IRC: Quit: Verlassend [01:53:25] and which patch fixed it? [01:53:42] no clue, but the code I was gonna fix isn't there anymore :) [01:53:50] lemme check the logs [01:54:00] Neil [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] is now known as NeilZZZ [01:54:08] mwu: Definitely retest, verify, and mark that bug appropriately, because that bug is bad [01:55:32] mw22_away [chatzilla@ABC50AD1.D68BE5F3.29424C4.IP] has joined #developers [01:56:52] I wish we'd just get rid of the bevels on the linux toolbarbuttons if we're doing it on Classic [01:57:04] They screw up so much stuff with those back and forward buttons [01:57:17] yuri [chatzilla@7F770D74.DF1EA6F9.75493C88.IP] has joined #developers [01:57:25] And it looks freaking bizarre to not have them on the go, search, or tab control buttons, and have them on back/forward etc. [01:57:36] Sigh [01:58:07] pkasting_home: crap [01:58:12] I was looking in the wrong tree [01:58:18] mwu: not fixed then, huh [01:58:29] pkasting: I got a minute or two, lemme fix it [01:58:37] well, my watch says you have... -1 minutes :( [01:59:06] pkasting_home: my watch is synced to atomic time [01:59:09] I'd give you a+, but I'm not a driver :) [01:59:50] I know... land it and say "requesting post facto approval for already-landed patch..." [02:00:12] tick tock [02:00:46] TEH FREEZE [02:01:10] mwu: quick! hurry! The clock strikes! Don't forget your glass slipper! [02:01:32] romaxa [romaxa@5147B1D6.FCB50AFC.AB646A19.IP] has joined #developers [02:02:57] bz_sleep: ping [02:03:01] doh [02:03:13] he's sleepPing [02:03:17] raj [raj@CEF81623.6EEDF54B.F3334A4B.IP] has quit IRC: Quit: raj [02:03:30] Mozilla1.8: 'Linux balsa Depend Fx-GTK1-GCC3.4' has changed state from Burning to Success. [02:03:38] I noticed. [02:03:46] schrep: ping [02:03:46] if I were a jerk, I'd change the topic to reflect the freeze - but I already own the topic. [02:04:15] hahah, as if by clockwork balsa went green at midnight [02:04:27] hehe [02:04:30] yah [02:04:33] you noticed that too, huh? [02:04:45] I'd open the tree, but... I made that mistake once [02:04:49] preed: great timing :) [02:04:54] I try [02:06:01] sayrer [chatzilla@moz-D9DB9F78.cable.mindspring.com] is now known as sayrer_FROZEN [02:06:19] gr, why is cvs commit not working [02:06:27] mwu: error? [02:06:27] eh, I give up [02:06:31] gaoming [chatzilla@C311BB7D.9DD24A9C.6439CC76.IP] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [02:06:34] it's just stalled [02:06:38] try with cvs -t [02:06:41] what that? [02:06:54] -t Show trace of program execution (repeat for more [02:06:58] verbosity) -- try with -n. [02:06:58] well, not now, probably ;-) [02:07:03] basically, it's verbose [02:07:08] eh, I'm attaching a patch and giving up for now [02:07:10] I only got cvs access today [02:07:22] still learning how to use it right [02:07:38] gaoming [chatzilla@64D3723C.770FC355.6439CC76.IP] has joined #developers [02:08:05] mwu: you're probably using it correctly, it's just not always instantaneous [02:08:32] db48x: it was when I was commiting to 1.8.0 today [02:08:37] all right, good night all [02:08:58] did ethereal as a project die or something, or why does it seem to have been replaced by the equivalent "Wireshark" in FC5? [02:09:07] name changed [02:09:10] WeirdAl [chatzilla@moz-F897DC70.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814] [02:09:18] mwu: you were trying to commit to branch w/o approval? [02:09:18] hm, wonder why [02:09:19] Waldo|mac: renamed [02:09:33] pkasting_home: no, I was fixing a patch that was already approved [02:09:55] mano bitrotted me and some lines that went in one css rule landed in another [02:10:16] mwu: also Mozilla's CVS goes really amazingly mind-bogglingly slowly (like 5 minutes per action) with certain versions of SSH, make sure you have a recent SSH on your machine [02:10:20] mwu: i did? [02:10:27] mwu: attach the patch and get Mano to commit it for you then [02:10:37] or gavin [02:10:40] or somebody [02:10:45] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=234182 [02:11:01] Mano: wanna help out? :) [02:11:13] mwu: has approval? [02:11:39] Mano: it's fixing the patch for 347470 which was already approved [02:11:42] Mano: it makes the patch that was committed actually be the one that got approval :) [02:11:59] pkasting_home: what an approach. [02:12:02] or something like that [02:12:16] mwu: k, landing, what's the bug #? [02:12:33] 347470 [02:12:33] 347470, but I attached it to 348911 [02:12:42] ok, yeah [02:12:45] use 347470 [02:12:57] 348911 is the actual bug this fixes, 347470 was the original bug this is really part of [02:13:38] mconnor had given r+/a+ to patch v2 on that which looked like this; mwu unbitrotted to patch v3 and checked in. This makes v3 like v2 where it accidentally wasn't [02:13:51] NeilZZZ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [02:13:57] The result of the mistake was bug 348911, which this fixes [02:14:00] Bleh :) [02:15:57] Neil [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #developers [02:16:33] Neil [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] is now known as NeilZZZ [02:17:04] db48x: thanks [02:17:22] mwu: checked i [02:17:27] NeilAway: you're welcome, glad to help [02:17:36] Mano: thanks! [02:17:46] Uri [chatzilla@11EB5A41.4EE4A751.F42F994A.IP] has joined #developers [02:18:01] Mano: you spelled my last name wrong :p [02:18:10] laurentj [laurentj@2D8FB7E9.FB8B17DB.34E6C24D.IP] has joined #developers [02:18:16] oh well [02:18:22] oops [02:18:30] 1.8 tinderbox still doesn't seem to have caught the commit [02:18:55] pkasting_home: use bonsai. [02:19:06] directly, that's. [02:19:19] The ability to do that is something I do not have [02:19:34] I don't understand how people can use bonsai, I just wait for tinderbox to catch it :D [02:19:53] Probably one or botht hose bugs in bugzilla should be updated... [02:20:05] you can just view the recent checkins [02:22:19] http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?branch=&date=hours&hours=2 is useful [02:23:28] Firefox: 'Linux balsa Depend GTK1 (gcc 3.4)' has changed state from Test Failed to Success. [02:23:57] raj [raj@moz-B08DF7D8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #developers [02:25:15] pkasting_home: you were worried about Linux tabstrip stuff? understanding that there's a lot of weird themes out there, which themes are important for b2? [02:26:22] mconnor: you mean Linux themes, right? I'm testing using whatever the Ubuntu default is in breezy, which I think is Human (GNOME) [02:26:34] But I think the problems are very similar on Clearlooks and other Linux themes [02:26:46] http://steelgryphon.com/random/Screenshot-1.png <-- clearlooks on FC4 [02:26:49] preed 's finger hovers over the "open tree" button [02:26:54] At least, all the screenshots I've seen of other Linux themes show the same problems I'm experiencing [02:27:21] mconnor 's finger hovers near the other "close tree" button [02:27:51] mconnor: yeah, the Fx2 screenshot near the top of that looks a lot like mine [02:28:24] Try getting tab scroll arrows up and then hovering the right hand buttons on the tab bar and seeing if they bevel weirdly [02:29:11] Or just try clicking through the 8 or so Linux tab strip bugs I filed earlier this evening, which I think I CCed you on and marked as blocking various other theme bugs :) [02:29:14] pkasting_home: oh, there's a bit of funkiness there [02:29:17] sayrer_FROZEN [chatzilla@moz-D9DB9F78.cable.mindspring.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [02:29:31] SeaMonkey has changed state from closed to open. [02:29:35] pkasting_home: but totally not enough to block on :) [02:29:40] Yeah, using the All Tabs menu causes some oddness, and just looking at the buttons things don't really seem right... [02:29:45] Firefox has changed state from closed to open. [02:29:50] preed: open the tree [02:29:53] Thunderbird has changed state from closed to open. [02:29:59] Camino has changed state from closed to open. [02:30:03] schrep: ^^^^ [02:30:08] Mozilla1.8 has changed state from closed to open. [02:30:12] Mozilla1.8-SeaMonkey has changed state from closed to open. [02:30:16] pkasting_home: but in normal 1-8 tabsets, we're looking great! [02:30:19] Mozilla1.8.0 has changed state from closed to open. [02:30:23] Firefox-Cairo has changed state from closed to open. [02:30:27] pkasting_home: its way way better than Windows Classic :) [02:30:49] mconnor: also note the go button, and what happens when you mouseover the back and forward buttons... [02:31:15] mconnor: in any case, I was talking to beltzner about what sorts of bugs are worth blocking and what aren't, so I understood the philosophy [02:31:30] schrep: I'll be up for a bit longer; ping me if necessary [02:31:41] mconnor: and it sounds like things that look hideous but don't break browser usage entirely (like a lot of these) are not B2 blockers [02:31:59] mconnor: but things which are technically scary to fix well might be B2 blockers even if they wouldn't otherwise be [02:32:26] preed: roger - but I think we are god for now [02:32:39] mwu [mikew@moz-C62DB612.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving [02:32:59] NeilZZZ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [02:33:29] mconnor: so in that sense I was worried about the bug to make the URL bar dropmarker nonnative and have it, the go endcap, and the search encaps all properly scale vertically. Those are all fixable, it's just tricky to get the CSS and images right. So in that spirit I wrote some detailed comments on bug 348138 (and a note on bug 347616) [02:33:52] pkasting_home: your detailed comments hurt my brain dude :) [02:33:53] It might be worth doing a partial fix for those for B2 and then tweaking them to be better by RC1 [02:33:54] schrep: a bit sacreligious, isn't that? [02:34:09] daim [David_Mart@moz-543F2594.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #developers [02:34:27] reed: depends on your point of view :-) [02:34:44] mconnor: just read bug 348138 comment 2, and the very last paragraph of comment 3 :) [02:35:01] beaufour_away [beaufour@1B5DCFE3.51D153FF.92D4E826.IP] has joined #developers [02:35:11] mconnor [mconnor@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org] has changed topic to "Use the new pastebin at http://pastebin.mozilla.org || http://landfill.mozilla.org/mxr-test || Crop circle complete || http://wiki.mozilla.org/DOM:Web_Forms_2.0 for Gecko design and approach - please read and offer feedback | Use the new pastebin at http://pastebin.mozilla.org || http://landfill.mozilla.or" [02:35:23] WTFtopic [02:35:40] reed hits mconnor [02:35:43] pkasting_home: I'm inclined to just accept them not looking quite right on Linux and super large fonts :) [02:35:52] I will [02:35:54] reed [reed@moz-AC62DFA1.griffis.dynamic.msstate.edu] has changed topic to "Use the new pastebin at http://pastebin.mozilla.org || http://landfill.mozilla.org/mxr-test || Crop circle complete || http://wiki.mozilla.org/DOM:Web_Forms_2.0 for Gecko design and approach - please read and offer feedback" [02:35:57] I win [02:36:16] mconnor: I'm not worried about them blocking usage or looking bad [02:36:33] mconnor: I'm worried that they need to be fixed by final but the fixes will be tricky and difficult [02:37:02] mconnor: (Well, I AM worried that they look bad, but I've been told that's not a B2 blocker, so I'm ignoring that.) [02:37:03] mconnor [mconnor@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org] has changed topic to "Use the new pastebin at http://pastebin.mozilla.org || http://landfill.mozilla.org/mxr-test || Crop circle complete || http://wiki.mozilla.org/DOM:Web_Forms_2.0 for Gecko design and approach - please read and offer feedback | I think we are god for now" [02:37:28] beaufour_away [beaufour@1B5DCFE3.51D153FF.92D4E826.IP] is now known as beaufour [02:37:33] pkasting_home: our risk tolerance just before b2 is way lower than immediately after b2 minibranches :) [02:38:34] "risk"? I'm trying to _minimize_ risk here... [02:40:01] Jesse_ [jesse@moz-9C41F208.san.res.rr.com] has quit IRC: Quit: Jesse_ [02:42:10] Neil_ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #developers [02:42:16] Neil_ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] is now known as NeilZZZ [02:42:45] Oh LOL that Aronnax guy strikes again [02:42:56] See http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/josh/archives/2006/08/cocoa_firefox_nightly_builds_o.html comment 4 [02:43:03] hahahahaha [02:43:43] haha [02:44:28] beltzner: how could you destroy Mac Firefox that way? [02:45:19] Neil_ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #developers [02:45:40] Oh those hideous Mac Firefox theme people! [02:46:00] and I'm not sure that preed / coop would like being called Firefox developers [02:46:03] :p [02:46:06] NeilZZZ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [02:46:42] I just like how he posted this _after_ we all sat and listen to him rant for an hour [02:47:39] preed: wanna update the tb status message as well? [02:47:42] Neil_ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] is now known as NeilZZZ [02:48:47] pkasting_home: I love how he'd ignore the part where I was like "all of us are Mac users, next question?" [02:49:11] You may be Mac users, but you're all trying your hardest to kill the Mac anyway! [02:49:14] Clearly! [02:49:36] smontagu: oh, yeah [02:50:23] pkasting_home: mconnor sure does, sometimes. [02:50:36] smontagu: got the one on the SeaMonkey page; any others? [02:50:57] firewolfbot: ping [02:51:00] gavin: pong [02:52:04] Mano: dude, remember the days when I reviewed thousands of lines of Mac patches even though I didn't have a Mac? just so 1.5 would be better! [02:53:06] preed: that's the only one I notice :) [02:53:37] beaufour chuckles at bug 340318 [02:53:40] mconnor: I remember the days when I reviewed thousands of lines. ;) [02:55:08] beaufour: Who's the 54-year-old guy? [02:55:36] reed: comment 70 [02:55:59] yeah [02:56:41] but who is he? [02:56:54] or is Will saying he's the 54-year-old guy? [02:57:07] no... [02:57:14] is comment 70 really that unclear? [02:58:20] he's saying he knows a 54-year-old that apparently reported so many [02:58:24] bugs and "never 1 fixed" and "he gets same lousy attitude from you all" [02:58:27] yes... [02:58:31] <@stuart> gavin is 54 [02:58:34] so, who's the 54-year-old guy? [02:58:38] that's my question [02:58:38] lol [02:58:41] someone he knows [02:58:44] <@stuart> i met him once [02:58:44] <@stuart> im sure he's that old [02:58:56] I think he is lying about his age [02:59:01] navin [chatzilla@405BBEF.AC8AF247.EEBBAFDA.IP] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [02:59:07] philor [ringnalda@moz-6C9C0D4B.eug.or.uspops.net] has quit IRC: Quit: philor [02:59:28] have bots even existed 54 years??? [02:59:47] <@stuart> my internets are slow [02:59:52] <@stuart> otherwise wikipedia would tell me [02:59:53] Mossop_sleep [Mossop@moz-4386CB1E.swan.cable.ntl.com] is now known as Mossop [02:59:54] stuart: need more gambling [03:00:09] tH [r@87.102.36.237] has joined #developers [03:00:11] try betting on some horse races [03:00:14] <@stuart> hah [03:00:22] <@stuart> craps is my new game! [03:01:11] windows font substitution isn't enough of a gamble? [03:01:11] beaufour: thanks for the bug number, I"m grinning wider and wider reading it [03:01:41] it's a nice way to start the day :) [03:02:05] "Could you, or that 54 year old guy, point me to those bugs, please?" [03:02:15] Oh man this bug is LOL [03:02:43] I'd almost like to email him to tell him he made my day... [03:02:46] dbaron [dbaron@moz-1559392A.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [03:02:51] But checking gmail would probably make his machine crash [03:03:38] haha [03:05:22] I think timeless' frustration with him kinda set him off though :( [03:06:06] I would be frustrated, too. [03:06:33] RESO WFM, and move on? :P [03:08:19] frustrated like timeless [03:08:25] not looney like the guy [03:08:28] schrep [schrep@moz-7542B0EB.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit IRC: Quit: [03:08:37] NeilZZZ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [03:08:39] glazou [daniel@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr] has joined #developers [03:08:43] bonjour [03:08:53] sabahh al heir [03:08:55] glazou! [03:09:09] glazou: When are we going to see your contenteditable patch :) [03:09:23] ask peterv [03:09:30] it's his bug [03:09:54] bjacques [bjacques@734EC97A.688B681D.9F751283.IP] has joined #developers [03:09:54] I tried a possible approach and he chose another one [03:10:09] glazou [daniel@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr] is now known as glazou_sick [03:10:16] oh... I thought on your blog you posted that you had it working [03:10:17] myk [chatzilla@moz-7B3C332.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [03:10:21] sure [03:10:23] it works [03:11:27] myk [chatzilla@moz-7B3C332.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #developers [03:11:46] a patch on the bug might be helpful to some of us who are interested, even if peterv wishes to do somethings differently... [03:11:59] there is a patch on the bug [03:12:07] Fufie [lambada@6645D3DE.EEEF76E9.52A1A62D.IP] has joined #developers [03:12:07] peterv even reviewed it [03:12:48] glazou_sick [daniel@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr] is now known as glazou_phone [03:13:01] oh... ok. I am out of it then, sorry [03:13:16] when is peterv going to land his fix? [03:13:32] which bug # is this? [03:13:47] Neil_ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #developers [03:14:24] 237964 [03:14:31] Neil_ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] is now known as NeilZZZ [03:14:33] gavin [gavin2@moz-3CD39903.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [03:15:29] navin [chatzilla@6981F66A.4265CEB4.547774E7.IP] has joined #developers [03:17:31] Ah [03:17:58] Looks from skimming like peterv's approach will probably be nicer for the spellcheck stuff in the incredible gruesome brokenness we've been running into with designmode [03:19:36] gavin [gavin2@moz-3CD39903.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #developers [03:23:51] Jesse_ [jesse@moz-9C41F208.san.res.rr.com] has joined #developers [03:27:01] NeilZZZ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [03:29:17] yuri [chatzilla@7F770D74.DF1EA6F9.75493C88.IP] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814] [03:32:00] db48x scratches his head [03:32:28] has anyone ever had all of the xul in some window get scrunched up against the edge of a window? [03:32:49] it's like the width is very small or something… [03:36:45] bedtime [03:36:53] Have fun freezing and stuff [03:36:56] pkasting_home [pkasting@moz-878F2D7D.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving [03:37:18] Hixie: ping [03:37:21] glazou_phone [daniel@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr] is now known as glazou [03:37:29] beaufour [beaufour@1B5DCFE3.51D153FF.92D4E826.IP] has quit IRC: Quit: Hasta luego [03:38:59] brendan [brendaneic@moz-42090664.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Quit: brendan [03:39:17] huh, it only happens if I have this inside the window [03:40:01] <@Hixie> glazou: pong [03:40:06] db48x wallops himself [03:40:42] ………… is bad [03:41:47] Hixie: is michael kay a total moron ? [03:41:57] see css wg [03:42:30] alfred [alfred@moz-F530B258.sun.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [03:46:53] madewokherd [urk@moz-148F0076.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Client exited [03:48:10] Neil_ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #developers [03:48:48] Neil_ [neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com] is now known as NeilZZZ [03:49:32] Hmm... 340318#c74 - $20 says that's Will again with a new account :P [03:49:49] linuxmigration [linuxmigra@moz-4C8836FC.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] is now known as linuxmigration|afk [03:54:39] db48x: that's not strictly illegal, you can nest if you want [03:55:46] <@Hixie> glazou: replied [03:55:51] <@Hixie> glazou: and Reply-To set to www-style [03:56:10] <@Hixie> glazou: enjoy [03:57:26] NeilAway: yea, it didn't complain, but it it made itself and everything else in the dialog about 100px wide [04:04:13] which was somewhat sub-optimal ### Log session terminated at Thu Aug 17 04:18:26 2006 ### ### Log session started at Thu Aug 17 04:18:46 2006 ### [04:18:46] db48x [db48x@moz-12F5BD2C.sub-70-196-109.myvzw.com] has joined #developers [04:18:46] Channel topic is: Use the new pastebin at http://pastebin.mozilla.org || http://landfill.mozilla.org/mxr-test || Crop circle complete || http://wiki.mozilla.org/DOM:Web_Forms_2.0 for Gecko design and approach - please read and offer feedback | I think we are god for now [04:18:46] Topic was set by mconnor!*@* on Thu Aug 17 02:38:47 2006 [04:18:52] sand.mozilla.org [*@*] has set channel mode +snr [04:18:52] Channel was created at Thu Aug 10 23:24:33 2006 [04:18:55] Channel synchronized in 8.849 seconds [04:20:58] Mano [chatzilla@261D46AC.D8CD2B94.53616853.IP] has quit IRC: Connection reset by peer [04:22:56] daim [David_Mart@48CB6E9C.21EE29D7.3E402BC7.IP] has joined #developers [04:25:48] <@Hixie> wtf [04:26:00] <@Hixie> why is the h1+h2 rule not matching the h2 at the top in http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xbl/xbl2.html [04:26:16] <@Hixie> mozilla is broken., [04:26:43] ginn [ginn@moz-887A00C6.sun.com] has quit IRC: Quit: Leaving [04:29:39] Hixie: who says it isn't matching? [04:30:05] <@Hixie> it isn't on my build [04:30:57] wfm unless I'm missing something [04:32:20] <@Hixie> how big a gap do you get between the first line and the second? [04:33:13] Anatolik: copyImage uses document.popupNode [04:33:26] about the same as between two lines of text [04:33:55] <@Hixie> there should be no gap at all [04:34:05] and DomI says computed style is margin: 0pt [04:34:12] <@Hixie> OH [04:34:15] <@Hixie> i see the problem [04:34:24] <@Hixie> my commit script forgot to escape the "+" signs [04:34:34] <@Hixie> so they all became spaces in CVS [04:34:41] <@Hixie> awesome [04:34:48] I mean margin-top 0px [04:35:37] <@Hixie> wait, you actually have a rule that says h1 + h2 ? [04:35:43] sure do [04:36:16] yup, same here [04:36:18] <@Hixie> you're hitting a cache somewhere [04:36:25] <@Hixie> the server isn't sending back any +s [04:36:28] yason [yason@moz-5E2C022F.hybrid.fi] has quit IRC: Client exited [04:36:59] 2 NeilAway: so,... which image will be copied ? [04:37:00] <@Hixie> either that or i've got bigger problems than i thought [04:37:28] Anatolik: document.popupNode should be an HTML element [04:38:17] 2 NeilAway: i see, I have page with for example 5 images [04:38:32] if i'll call copyImage - which one will be copied then ? [04:38:36] yason [yason@moz-5E2C022F.hybrid.fi] has joined #developers [04:41:34] rob_strong [rob_strong@moz-8AA8F10E.sub-70-198-29.myvzw.com] has quit IRC: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9a1/2006070508] [04:43:51] Hannibal [Hannibal@FF672C8A.2DD6448.BB6EDB21.IP] has joined #developers [04:49:22] Mossop [Mossop@moz-4386CB1E.swan.cable.ntl.com] is now known as Mossop_busy [04:50:01] WizKid [hesslow@F74A873A.A2758F9F.CB45D44D.IP] has joined #developers [04:52:00] glazou: ping? [04:53:45] Anatolik [tolikk@D9106C22.4D034417.BFECE6BC.IP] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [04:59:14] db48x: pong [04:59:37] glazou: hey, I've a question about nsFontSizeStateCommand [04:59:44] shoot [04:59:46] http://landfill.mozilla.org/mxr-test/mozilla1.8.0.x/source/editor/composer/src/nsComposerCommands.cpp#831 [04:59:54] looking [05:00:00] I've been trying to figure out why those are the only values you can pass in for the state [05:00:17] hold on a sec, i'm not there yet [05:00:22] I've been wandering around in cssutils and stuff, but I can't really tell :) [05:00:25] heh, ok [05:00:37] Anatolik: whichever one you point document.popupNode to [05:01:36] Sander [me@E8B87793.1C0CBD4D.BA851D99.IP] has joined #developers [05:02:50] db48x: probably because html handles only 7 values for font size [05:02:54] Anatolik [tolikk@moz-7DB8D648.user.matrix.farlep.net] has joined #developers [05:03:00] and we needed correspondance with the css values [05:03:05] from xx-small to xx-large [05:03:12] and that's 7 values too [05:03:16] gavin [gavin2@moz-3CD39903.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit IRC: Ping timeout [05:03:24] Wow, I just got a spam purporting to be from @mozillaquest.com. Now that brings backs memories... [05:03:24] 2 NeilAway: do you know how to copy image to clipboard from xpcom component? [05:03:26] glazou: I thought it was something like that [05:04:28] glazou: now, the flip side of that question is if you had to be able to set the font size in pts, but coulndn't change the core, how would you go about it? [05:04:55] oh, and this is 1.8.0 [05:05:37] add a new command ? [05:05:37] Sander: heh. [05:05:43] and the corresponding ui ? [05:06:03] that's was I was thinking [05:06:27] that's doable quite easily with an overlay adding the command [05:06:59] hmmm [05:07:07] but you won't be able to rely on nsHTMLEditor magic [05:07:20]